Brake Upgrade

[MTZL]

This thread is for all brake upgrade & manufacturers that makes high performance brakes. So find em & list them. Please contribute on the search.
Thank you for your cooperation.

[MTZL]

I will go first.

Now I need to find out if it will even fit on our Ralliart.

They make SuperComp 16inches Rotor with 12piston caliper but need bigger wheels to house em.

http://www.ksportusa.com/asp/brake_kits.asp

K Sport 12inch 6 Piston calipers Fronts

http://www.ksportusa.com/asp/brake_kits_detail.asp?product_id=bk08
http://www.ksportusa.com/grfx/products/brakekits/bk01/splash_large.jpg

1. 6 Piston Aluminum calipers
2. D.O.T. Compliant Stainless steel brake lines
3. Machined aluminum hats
4. Carbon steel brackets
5. 304mm (12") large ventilated discs (16" wheels required)
6. High quality Ksport SC5 street brake pads
(RC1 race pads available for additional cost)

K Sport 12inch 4 Piston calipers Rears

http://www.ksportusa.com/asp/brake_kits_detail.asp?product_id=bk10
http://www.ksportusa.com/grfx/products/brakekits/bk04/splash_large.jpg

1. 4 Piston Aluminum calipers
2. D.O.T. Compliant Stainless steel brake lines
3. Machined aluminum hats
4. Carbon steel brackets
5. 304mm (12") large ventilated discs (16" wheels required)
6. High quality Ksport SC5 street brake pads
(RC1 race pads available for additional cost)

what do you guys think???

[NFSLancerRA]

The front set will. The rear set won't.

Good god, did you check the price on those things? They cost almost $2k!

[MTZL]

The front set will. The rear set won't.

Good god, did you check the price on those things? They cost almost $2k!

Its just for reference.

Brembo make 4 piston calipers for the fronts but no upgrade for the rear brakes.

[MTZL]

There was other threads about brakes.

http://clubralliart.com/showthread.php?t=931


http://clubralliart.com/showthread.php?t=229

http://clubralliart.com/showthread.php?t=324

http://clubralliart.com/showthread.php?t=1281

[graphite ralli]

id stick with the stop-techs

http://www.powerslot.com/partsapp/results.php?makes=58&models=1646&years=2009&categories=22&

[NFSLancerRA]

As I understand it, there are many options for upgrading the brakes.

StopTech makes a full front and rear BBK.

TheBrakeMan (and presumably RobiSpec) carries a "full" BBK as well that includes 12.5" rotors in the front and a full set of calipers. His stuff, so I hear, is top-notch. I have never personally tried any of it, though. They also make a set of "SuperBrake" rotors and ceramic pads to fit the stock calipers. I am considering this.

http://thebrakeman.com/evo_kits

AMS/Wilwood makes a front brake conversion. However, the rotor is pretty small.

http://www.amsperformance.com/cart/AMS/Wilwood-MitsubishiLancer-Ralliart-Big-Front-Brake-Kit.html

MRT has converted a set of Corvette front brakes to fit the Ralliart.

As you said, Brembo makes a kit that fits the front but not the rear.

EBC Brakes are pretty good. They make a set of pads and rotors that fit the Ralliart. I like the Redstuff pads. If you don't plan to go the BBK route, this is a pretty good option.

DBA (Disc Brakes of Australia) makes rotors, but I am not sure if they have a set for the Ralliart yet. I have been dying to get in touch with them about making a set of brakes for the RA. They make good quality stuff.

There is a rumor going around that GiroDisc is looking into making an affordable brake option for the Ralliart. I will be contacting them next week to check on this. If this does turn out to be the case, I foresee this being a popular option. In fact, I would love to get a thread going to test interest for such a thing and send feedback to GiroDisc. I want to see this happen.

[MikeW-RRE]

Y'all really need to try a set of $65 Stoptech front brake pads before buying this bling stuff. I think it will get you by for now while you save up enough money to buy a clean used Eclipse GST just to spend on brakes for your RalliArt. Sure my little stock calipers look naco inside million dollar 18"x9.5" Volk RE30s... but the car stops quite nicely with 300 whp :-)

Mike W

[Jackal]

I just had my front rotors machined and new pads installed. I had dealership upgrade me from the stock replacements. They put on Wagner Front pads part number WAGQC530. Anybody else try these pads yet? they cost me $103.13 plus tax and labour. The factory pads had less than 3 mm left on them with only 25,000 km on the car.

[vplukas101]

anyone try these??

http://www.speednetmotorsports.com/package-deal-special.html

[MTZL]

Y'all really need to try a set of $65 Stoptech front brake pads....
Mike W

Sold! Do you have rear pads too? How about the Project Mu stuff?
I will pm you later about Custom made RRE parts. ;)
Thanks Mike.

[GAbOS]

I'm heavily considering Hawk Yellows.

[graphite ralli]

Y'all really need to try a set of $65 Stoptech front brake pads before buying this bling stuff.

Mike W

thats a great deal...ive tried a set of new pads and rotors...ebc yellows and there pro slot and dimpled rotors....i NEED a BBK because of heat...i warp rotors like its the cool thing to do...
so unless there's a rotor that can stand up to a TON of heat...bigger is gonna be my friend

[MikeW-RRE]

Rotors dont warp. It is just the wrong pads for your driving.

From Stoptech's Website:

http://stoptech.com/tech_info/faqs.shtml

What do you mean by "uneven pad deposition?"

Virtually all modern brake pads are what are referred to as an Adherent type of pad. The pad is designed to transfer a layer of pad material onto the rotor. When a sufficient and EVEN layer of pad material is adhered to the rotor face, the pad material on the rotor, interacting with the similar material on the pad, creates the most efficient friction mechanism. These like materials, breaking against each other on a molecular level are what really stops the car well. To emphasize, there is supposed to be a layer of material pad material on the rotor. The problems occur if the pads are not properly bedded-in (an even layer of pad material on the rotor) and run aggressively, OR if the pads are overheated (street pads on the track like we tell 37 people a week NOT to do). The pad transfer occurs most efficiently at the pads optimal operating temperature. That means a higher temperature pad needs to be hotter to properly transfer material. If you have a high performance pad and never run it hot enough to get a proper layer of material onto the rotor, it will never be properly bedded-in. Thus, even after 1000 miles of "normal" street driving, when you blast your favorite canyon and heat the brakes, you can get uneven deposits on the rotor causing a vibration. The other common scenario is over-heating the pads even if they are properly bedded-in. In this case, the pad material starts to break down and smear onto the rotor face, again causing the UN-EVEN deposits. The other problem that occurs is if the system is really hot and you come to a complete stop and leave your foot on the brake pedal. In this instance, we get what is called "pad imprinting" where a small layer of material breaks off the surface of the pad and literally can be seen as an imprint of the pad on the rotor face. This can occur no matter the state of bed-in. All these scenarios leave very small, uneven layers (we call it TV, Thickness Variation) of material on the rotor. We're talking a few 10/1000's of an inch, like a TV of 0.0003". It starts out almost imperceptibly, but as the pads start to skip over the high spots, more material is deposited on those areas, ever increasing the vibration until it becomes quite noticeable, even days after the event that started it occurred. The best way to avoid these problems is proper bed-in of the system initially, and using the proper pads for your exact driving conditions. If you are planning on swapping pads for a track day, you need to re-bed the system before the event (or dedicate the first track session to bed-in). Remember, you have that layer of street pad material adhered to the rotor face, and if you don't remove and replace it with the track pad material, it is going to degrade from the heat and... yep, cause uneven pad deposits. Same goes when you put the street pads back in, you need to re-bed them for optimal street performance. The article on the Technical page titled "The Warped Brake Disc and Other Myths of the Braking System" is an excellent source of information: http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp_warped_brakedisk.shtml

My car judders when I apply the brakes, what can I do to fix it?

In order to understand the likely cause of the judder, please see the FAQ relating to un-even pad deposition. OK, now that you hopefully better understand why the steering wheel is shaking out of your hand, what can be done to cure it? Turning the rotors will take care of it, but you will be shortening the life of the rotor and decreasing its ability to absorb and control heat, as there will be less mass in the rotor after turning. Also, turning a 2-piece rotor that uses floating attachment hardware between the rotor and hat can be tricky. We have had very good success running an aggressive track pad at lower temperatures on the street in order to scrub off the rotor surface. We have found the Hawk Blue 9012 race pad to be very effective. At lower temperatures it is very ABRASIVE, not becoming ADHERENT until it reaches it's optimal operating temperature. If it is used with a few firm stops at a time, not getting too hot (we want to remove material, not transfer more), it will often remove the source of vibration. A WARNING: Do not leave an abrasive pad in the caliper longer than necessary to solve the problem. We have had rotors destroyed in under a week by leaving the abrasive track pads in on the street.


EBC needs to shift more of their marketing budget to R&D and pad compound devolopment.


Mike W

[MTZL]

Thanks for the info Mike! Greatly appreciated!

I dont use brake standing at the lights, I put the gear in Neutral. I down shift when I brake. I only brake to slow the momentum. I tried not to use my brake
as often.

I heard my brake screeching every now & than a week ago.
30,000 miles on it now....
I need to check my pads, I think it is time for replacement.
I will be calling you soon Mike. Once I have some money...:(
RRE FTW, Mike W you are a rock star! :cool:

[RalliNurse]

i don't know if these well fit but i found power slot slotted rotor on rre's web...they're evo x version...so i hope it'll fit our cars too...i'm not a big fan of $1k or 2k+ brake kits...that money would be used for sst upgrades imho...

[Jackal]

No I don't think they will fit as I am certain the knuckle and spindle are different between the 2 cars.

I am gonna go the low buck big Bling route. Had dealership upgrade my pads and machine my stock rotors. I will be ordering the brake caliper paint kit from tire rack 38 bucks and Brembo decals off ebay for 8 dollars, upgrading the brake fluid to motul RBF 600 and possibly upgrading to works stainless steel lines. This will lost less than $300.00 and will give me better firmer braking and with my new Evo rims you will be able to see the high gloss finish on the calipers which will have the brembo decals showing through. Will look like I spent a couple grand and no one will be the wiser LOL !

I will try and do this end of April and I will post step by step pics if anyone is interested is doing the same. My garage is not heated yet so will have to wait a couple months til we get at least a few degrees above freezing.

[RalliNurse]

No I don't think they will fit as I am certain the knuckle and spindle are different between the 2 cars.

I am gonna go the low buck big Bling route. Had dealership upgrade my pads and machine my stock rotors. I will be ordering the brake caliper paint kit from tire rack 38 bucks and Brembo decals off ebay for 8 dollars, upgrading the brake fluid to motul RBF 600 and possibly upgrading to works stainless steel lines. This will lost less than $300.00 and will give me better firmer braking and with my new Evo rims you will be able to see the high gloss finish on the calipers which will have the brembo decals showing through. Will look like I spent a couple grand and no one will be the wiser LOL !

I will try and do this end of April and I will post step by step pics if anyone is interested is doing the same. My garage is not heated yet so will have to wait a couple months til we get at least a few degrees above freezing.

cant wait to see the final result!

[Jackal]

Here are the links to the parts I will be using.

http://www.stoptech.com/Products/brake_fluid.shtml Motul RBF 600 Brake fluid

http://www.worksmotorsports.com/ Stainless stell brake lines

http://www.xenonmods.com/newallcaliperdecals.htm Caliper high heat decals

http://www.tirerack.com/brakes/accessoryDetail.jsp?ID=41 High heat caliper paint kit

I am leaning towards the lime green with a white brembo decal on my calipers.

[Mkid]

:O!

I was going to do Lime Green too. I thought it would look sick on GG.

Are our stock calipers Brembo made or are you completely ricing it up with the Brembo stickers? lol

[Jackal]

I am Ricing it up, Gotta keep the fans happy. I was gonna go with Red but I am a loud over the top kind of guy. So bright green just seems more well ME ! LOL !

[MTZL]

Mike W: Can you tell me if any of these will work with Evo IX or X Rotors?

These are Alcon brake calipers they have measurements on the link pdf

4 Piston Calipers (Race)
http://www.alconusa.com/productselector.cfm?template=specs_list_1&getProduct=10

6 Piston Calipers (Race)
http://www.alconusa.com/productselector.cfm?template=specs_list_1&getProduct=15

Calipers (Street)
http://www.alconusa.com/productselector.cfm?template=specs_list_1&getProduct=29

I dont have tools necessary to measure & estimate clearance.
Will any of them fit on Evo IX or X rotors in our RA?

These are made to clear smaller wheels for rally cars. :cool:
Something to look forward to & save up for if it works.

[Jackal]

Somebody check the spam filter looks like we got another live one here. LOL !

[MTZL]

What is he saying... I need to get language pack on my computer. :o

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[BravoZero]

What is he saying... I need to get language pack on my computer. :o

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[Jackal]

Bump for new options for us to upgrade our lousy brakes.

[Dan379]

What kind of power levels are you guys at and lap times are you turning that you are burning out the stock brakes? A set of real pads, stainless lines, and maybe some Motul and you should be good.

If your rotors aren't glowing in daylight or your fluid isn't boiling you don't need bigger brakes. All you are doing is spending money where you don't need to and adding unsprung weight to the car and slowing it down. When it comes to rotors you want the smallest possible package you can use.

A good budy of mine used to race Z cars in SCCA supercar, he ran out of budget one year so he decided that Autozone should sponsor his brakes. On the stock calipers and rotors with synth fluid and stainless lines he would burn through a set of "lifetime warranty pads" at each race, he may not have been out braking the competition, but he wasn't having any problems either.

I will solve all of your braking needs in about 15 minutes;
1. pick up phone and dial (562) 777-1522 or (905) 669 8400 or 847-709-0530
2. say "Yo dogz I need me some brakes fo my RalliArt, should I get the Stoptechs, the Hawks, or the EBC pads?"
3.Listen to the guy on the other end and answer his questions
4.read him your credit card number

[zeRep85]

A set of real pads, stainless lines, and maybe some Motul and you should be good.

dial (562) 777-1522 or (905) 669 8400 or 847-709-0530

+1 :)

<< Stoptechs, RRE SS Lines and Motul :)

[NFSLancerRA]

There are only a certain number of calipers that will work with our cars. First of all, we have the same mounting pattern as all c5/c6 Corvettes. have found that SSBC 3-piston Corvette replacement calipers in the front and a new set of Wilwood 2-piston calipers in the rear along with a t set of Evo X rotors will be all the braking force that I need.

As far as those calipers mentioned above, they are ALL radial mount. That means that each and every one will require a custom bracket (as far as I know). Wilwood Dynapro 6-piston calipers are a possibility, but they cannot be used with Evo X rotors. Also, it will be difficult to source a 4-piston rear. You might be able to get away with another set of Wilwood Calipers. It is hard to know. The sizing in the rear is tough.

Also, I sized up Evo VIII rotors in the rear, and they don't clear the E-brake assembly or even fit properly. You must use Evo X rotors in the rear, if you want to upgrade.

[NFSLancerRA]

If you are going to upgrade your stock rotors, I would recommend Powerslot. I will have to find the specific part numbers. I am not a big fan of EBC brakes after taking a close look at them over the past couple of weeks. To be honest, O'Reilly's sells a set of Carbon-Metallic pads that are inexpensive and grip nicely without destroying your rotors. I can have SS lines made for anyone here, if interested. Other than that, if you plan on tracking your car, you will more than likely need larger rotors and more intense calipers/pads.

If anyone has any brake related questions, don't hesitate to send me a PM. I have looked into literally several hundred combinations of parts over the past month or two.

[wwralliart77]

What do you think about this deal guys? Front & Rear drilled/slotted rotors w/pads, SS lines, and motul brake fluid. The link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310200519194&viewitem=

[hackerrei]

Hello all

So the realy question is which is best Ceramic or KEVLAR racing pads?
Word is that kevlar leave bad brake dust on the rims and ceramic leave hardly any.
But which type is the best as far as stopping,fadeing,heat, and rotor wear?
I have been looking every where for carbon ceramic pads but so far nothing I don't mind paying 1 to 2 gee for that kind of brakes never wear stop great just need to have a little heat in it.lol
If they make them for merc,porsche,audi,ferrari,and other top end super cars why can't I find any for a RA or EVO?

But if I had to get any pads right now it would have to be ceramic race pads only top the line here.lol

Here is what I was able to find so far http://www.summitracing.com/search/Make/MITSUBISHI/Year/2010/Model/LANCER/Submodel/EVOLUTION-GSR/Part-Type/Brake-Pads/?Ns=Rank%7cAsc