Best intake??

[motec85]

Im looking to get an intake for my first upgrade. Any suggestions? would like to get something plug and play and hopefully wouldn't require any major tuning to void my warrenty.

[ENEMIGO]

Injen is set to release a Cold Air Intake soon. My opinion would be to wait for that. There are some Ram Air Intakes available currently. The best one is from AMS.

www.injen.com
www.amsperformance.com

[CarGuy]

Check with Mike from RRE, he'll know the good from the lame.

[HiggsRA]

taken from evo m:::

AMS (in stock),Ultimate-Racing (in stock),CP-E (in stock)

for the ralliart

[HiggsRA]

Greddy, works, injen and i think RRE are also in the progress of making there mike could confirm or not

[RalliUp]

Has anyone looked at this short ram air intake. I'm thinking about getting it.

http://www.maperformance.com/ultimate-racing-09-ralliart-short-ram-intake-ur-20049.html

[Blaze]

Has anyone looked at this short ram air intake. I'm thinking about getting it.

http://www.maperformance.com/ultimate-racing-09-ralliart-short-ram-intake-ur-20049.html

That looks sloppy IMO.

The filter is going to make contact with the recirc pipe and will probably impact with the cover for the intake box as well.

Mike will probably chime in on the filters RRE has tested. But I know they've done drop in filter verses OEM filter comparisons and found little to no gains by upgrading. It would appear that an upgrade to the intake is not necessary until more aggressive upgrades to the vehicle are performed.

That said, if you just want to hear the turbo working, it's not going to hurt anything aside from your wallet to upgrade.


*edit: Mikes comments on the dyno tests can be read here: http://www.clubralliart.com/showpost.php?p=2806&postcount=14

[Ladogaboy]

In my opinion, the best intake is the stock intake. It flows more than enough air, protects the filter from water/debris, and sucks in air from outside the engine bay. :cool:

[MikeW-RRE]

Had a guy with a UR intake stop by the shop yesterday. Had codes for "System too lean" that he could not get rid of.

The RalliArt does not run super rich like the EVO X. So anything that leans it out to make more power, will cause knock. The car makes more power on the dyno, but it is knocking a lot and pulling timing. By the time the car is tuned, the intake wont be making more power than a stock intake. With the stock turbo being so small, the stock intake tract isnt what is holding things back.

If you do an intake "upgrade" because the cool kids are doing it, get your car tuned right away.

Mike W

[zeRep85]

So...No Intake..Check.

:)

Ozzy

[MikeW-RRE]

Had a guy with a UR intake stop by the shop yesterday. Had codes for "System too lean" that he could not get rid of.

Mike W

Just to clarify, when I said he could not get rid of the codes, I mean he went to the dealer, had the codes read and cleared. Checked the install,hoses, clamps, brackets etc... the code keeps comming back. So with a tune with extra time to compensate for the intake it would all be ok.

Mike W

[MikeRA87]

Injen has released one and seems like a buy for me

[Ralliart26]

i found this on evolutionm.net its my choice of intake. it kinda looks like the ultimate racing intake but without all the problems. it uses a evo maf housing and your choice of cone filter. its cheap and it works looks like a good deal!

http://forums.evolutionm.net/09-ralliart-how-installations/462981-how-k-n-sri-no-more-than-70-00-a.html

[Tre]

ya i was following that thread. I hope someone trys it and logs a/f data before and after.

[geargrinder]

Injen has released one and seems like a buy for me
I installed this system last night. Just a warning for those with factory HID headlights. There is no room for the intake hose to go into the fender. If you have the regular head lights, the fitment is perfect. I had to use a Sawzall to make room. Though it was kind of fun to cut chunks out of my new car, I wouldn't recommend this for everyone. I can post up pic's later if anyone is interested.

[TheBlackBeast]

Yes, please post pics and what was needed to be trimmed! I'm running the HIDs so I'm very interested.

[geargrinder]

first off I would like to preface this by saying I was in a hurry to get the job done, and will be going back in there and cleaning up the cut areas, and covering the sharp edges with some kind of trim.

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/115/l_281fd22e83944c98a9f0749e3f0eb321.jpg

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/140/l_68d3b63a5067490abd3492adb235380f.jpg

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/136/l_6c74f3fce0dd4f55a5fa5a34f5ced56b.jpg

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/149/l_1b79168aa0f8461f9a74666c28adc19d.jpg

[OVNI]

first off I would like to preface this by saying I was in a hurry to get the job done, and will be going back in there and cleaning up the cut areas, and covering the sharp edges with some kind of trim.

Why that??:eek:

[geargrinder]

Why that??:eek:

Well, it's only a car, and it kind of felt....good.

[Jackal]

The stock intake setup will more than fill the tiny turbo on our cars. Just throw in an after market high flow filter and be done with it. No risk plenty of flow and no future problems to worry about. I have yet to see an real advantage to any type of aftermarket intake for our cars.

[kenpora]

Will an aftermarket hi flow drop in net any gains. What do you guys like better the HKS or K&N drop in?

[TheBlackBeast]

No, but you should hear the turbo more...

I personally would prefer the K&N drop in...

[MikeW-RRE]

Cosworth drop in. No oils to mess with the air flow meter. $43

Mike W

[kenpora]

Thanks I guess I never even knew there was a Cosworth drop in. Only 43.00 is good too. This is the only car I have owned that is this picky with the mods. The only thing I plan on doing right now is install the GST boost pill and V2 tune. Later on I would like to do an actual dyno tune and maybe an intake at that time. For now though I think a nice drop in would suit my needs.

[Barracudakid68]

i found this on evolutionm.net its my choice of intake. it kinda looks like the ultimate racing intake but without all the problems. it uses a evo maf housing and your choice of cone filter. its cheap and it works looks like a good deal!

http://forums.evolutionm.net/09-ralliart-how-installations/462981-how-k-n-sri-no-more-than-70-00-a.html

would you be able to use evo x intake systems if you do that? and you would probally have to get a tune after right?

[Barracudakid68]

Where does the filter sit? also does the filter ever suck water?

[Ralliart26]

would you be able to use evo x intake systems if you do that? and you would probally have to get a tune after right?

If you want to use an Evo X intake system like the AEM cold air box you'd have to relocate the battery to the trunk... The filter sits as shown in the pictures. Right behind the battery. If you read threw that thread you will see someone logged the AFR and found that its ok to run it without a tune. But to be safe you should run a Wideband as you should do with any intake. I ran it with all the vents taken out of my hood in a down poor and had no problems!

[MikeW-RRE]

Where does the filter sit? also does the filter ever suck water?

The Injen CAI filter sits down in the fender well in front of the tire where it gets road water/muck splash. That clogs it up. I dont recomend it for the RalliArt. The filter is too small, blocks up easily, makes an upgraded tranny cooler very difficult and increases knock on an untuned car. Cool ideas they had on the part in general, but the ones I have seen and logged after they had been on the car for a while actually were losing power compared to stock.


http://roadraceengineering.com/ralliart/parts/injen/filter-installedlow.jpg


An intake "upgrade" on a RalliArt with a stock turbo makes no appreciable power after tuning, and dangerous power on 91 octane with out tuning.


Mike W

[jRox]

Found this intake last night: http://magnusmotorsports.com/?page_id=52&category=14&product_id=60

Made by Magnus Motorsports. Unfortunately, you'll need to relocate the battery to the trunk. Not sure if it'll fit with a mini-battery. I'm more interested in the description:

One of the biggest mistakes with many aftermarket intakes is that manufacturers do not take into account the inside diameter of the MAF housing. This diameter is precisely calibrated to your MAF sensor for your ECU, and can alter your vehicles state of tune, severely leaning out your engine. Our air intake uses our specially designed Mass air flow housing developed and manufactured in house to the precise inside dimensions of the OEM unit. This ensures precise calibrated readings to your ECU as the Mitsubishi engineers intended. One of the bonuses of our cold air intake kit is that, when you install it, your ECU does not need to be immediately retuned like our competitors products.

Any thoughts on this Mike?

[MTZL]

I dont consider any cone filter that sit in the engine bay a cold air intake.
Engine bay gets hot!
drive for about an hour & open your hood & hover your hands over the engine bay & components it gets really f*ing hot!
Stock Intake snorkel actually uses air flow from the front of the car. ;)

Maybe thermal wrap the stock intake snorkel to keep the intake air temp low.?

[MTZL]

This is CAI & as you can see its a bad location design.
If there are any cai to be made should concentrate on taking air from the very front nose of the car (ie upper part of the front bumper where the Three Diamonds emblem sit or the hood scoop)

The Injen CAI filter sits down in the fender well in front of the tire where it gets road water/muck splash. That clogs it up. I dont recomend it for the RalliArt. The filter is too small, blocks up easily, makes an upgraded tranny cooler very difficult and increases knock on an untuned car. Cool ideas they had on the part in general, but the ones I have seen and logged after they had been on the car for a while actually were losing power compared to stock.


http://roadraceengineering.com/ralliart/parts/injen/filter-installedlow.jpg


An intake "upgrade" on a RalliArt with a stock turbo makes no appreciable power after tuning, and dangerous power on 91 octane with out tuning.


Mike W

[MikeW-RRE]

The whole MAF inner dimension is a double edge sword.

If it is the same size as stock, well then how is it going to flow any more than stock?

If it is larger than stock, then the MAF will give a lower airflow signal to the ECU for the same amount of air flow. The motor runs leaner. This throws off the fuel trims as the ECU does its best to compensate for things. With a lower signal from the MAF you get a little more ignition advance also since the ECU thinks there is a lower load.

So you have a leaner mixture that would make more power, except that the RalliArt already runs fairly lean for a stock turbo car. You get a little extra ignition advance which on 93 octane might work but on 91 is a lot of knock. So you put on an intake that needs tuning. Once you retune it, it isn’t making any more power than it would have with a stock intake.

The turbo inlet on the RalliArt is tiny. Take your smallest Dixie cup. 2” diameter on the big end, 1 ½” diameter on the small end.

http://roadraceengineering.com/ralliart/tech/stockturbo/dixiecup.jpg


Here is the stock turbo inlet:

http://roadraceengineering.com/ralliart/tech/stockturbo/turboinlet.jpg


Put the Dixie cup inside:

http://roadraceengineering.com/ralliart/tech/stockturbo/cupinside.jpg


Did I mention how small the stock turbo is? :-P

You already have a cold air intake that gets air from the grille area. The cross section of the stock MAF is already twice the cross section of the stock turbo. You have a huge panel filter that easily flows 350 WHP on an EVO X.

What exactly are you all trying to upgrade? Man I would love to sell you all intakes that made any power at all. I’d go buy myself some new shoes or something nice for my wife. So far they are all for show. Upgrade to a larger than EVO X turbo and now you could gain from something higher flowing. But by then you would make something full custom and move a bunch of stuff around.

Mike W

[TheBlackBeast]

Bwahahahahaha!!!! Dixie cup for the win!

That's my next air filter fo sho!

Dixie cup + window screen material with rubber band to secure it all. Ima own you all. :D

[MTZL]

Bwahahahahaha!!!! Dixie cup for the win!

That's my next air filter fo sho!

Dixie cup + window screen material with rubber band to secure it all. Ima own you all. :D

lol. Yeah you need to cut out the bottom of the dixie cup & call it Uber SRI.
:p