How to get S-Sport mode & Launch Control on the Ralliart

[crak]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7341282/03-00-015-Engine-Controls-PCM-Reprogramming-Procedure

[zeRep85]

STICKY THIS NOW!!!!!!!!

Crak i just paypal'ed you 50,000.00 Clubralliart points..

:)

zeRep

[MTZL]

Congratulation Crak. Thanks for the write up & MUTIII firmware version info.

[kissmeblind]

Ahhh this would be so awesome to have, but all this is jibberish to me! GRRRR lol! Great info, keeping this in my favorites for if I find someone near me who understands this lol :D

[crak]

Thank you all for your support. Keep this great community growing and thriving.

Ahhh this would be so awesome to have, but all this is jibberish to me! GRRRR lol! Great info, keeping this in my favorites for if I find someone near me who understands this lol :D

Well, I want to know what I can do to improve it so Joe smith off the street can understand it. Let me know which parts are misleading and Ill do my best to update it!

[kissmeblind]

Thank you all for your support. Keep this great community growing and thriving.

Well, I want to know what I can do to improve it so Joe smith off the street can understand it. Let me know which parts are misleading and Ill do my best to update it!

Oh no no! Nothing on here is it misleading! The step by step you wrote is pretty amazing. I just don't know the parts that are involved in this. Like the MUT3 device or OBD2 port. I have no idea about the ECU or anything technical in the car. I just drive it! Lol! :D

[crak]

Oh no no! Nothing on here is it misleading! The step by step you wrote is pretty amazing. I just don't know the parts that are involved in this. Like the MUT3 device or OBD2 port. I have no idea about the ECU or anything technical in the car. I just drive it! Lol! :D

Right on:)

[crak]

STICKY THIS NOW!!!!!!!!

Crak i just paypal'ed you 50,000.00 Clubralliart points..

:)

zeRep

yay! im rich! thanks boss!

[zeRep85]

yay! im rich! thanks boss!

no problem! You are leading the score board with points :)

zeRep

[TrailBrake]

Excellent write-up Crak :D

Thanks again for taking the risk for the community. We all appreciate it!

[Jackal]

Congratulations Cole! I was worried for you man. I do need clarification on this statement.

As far as we know, this reprogram will work on all 2009+ ralliarts. 2009 ralliarts will not have LC till we find out which cff file is for other years.

So do you mean it will work on only 2010 and newer Ralliarts? and that those of us with 2009 models will have to wait until a certain file is figured out?

[tencents]

Awesome stuff... Now we need to start compiling tcu files so every RA owners can get S-Sport and LC. NOW I NEED ACCESS TO MUT III. :(

[MikeW-RRE]

? Everyone is all wet and giddy over this. Cool. But for all the guys that have done this, did you just walk into a dealership and get this done? Did you rent a MUTT 3 from Miller Special Tools or SPX? Do tell. From this write up it sounds like instructions for just anyone to do it. Splain more please.

Here is one to buy used I guess for $1500
http://www.ebay.com/itm/280807321650#ht_5804wt_952

Allegedly there is a rental program from Mitsubishi's official special tool supplier. But the web is full of people actually not being able to rent one. I think it was like $700 for a couple days use.

Or is everyone going to do this counting on being bestest buddies with a service manager that will sneak this home for a weekend?

Mike W

[eyedreamt]

? Everyone is all wet and giddy over this. Cool. But for all the guys that have done this, did you just walk into a dealership and get this done? Did you rent a MUTT 3 from Miller Special Tools or SPX? Do tell. From this write up it sounds like instructions for just anyone to do it. Splain more please.

Here is one to buy used I guess for $1500
http://www.ebay.com/itm/280807321650#ht_5804wt_952

Allegedly there is a rental program from Mitsubishi's official special tool supplier. But the web is full of people actually not being able to rent one. I think it was like $700 for a couple days use.

Or is everyone going to do this counting on being bestest buddies with a service manager that will sneak this home for a weekend?

Mike W

I told the dealer I needed to flash a file to the tcm cause i was getting codes due to some aftermarket issues. Went in back with the guy, did it, paid my $89 diag fee (1 hour of work) and was on my way. Didn't mention that it would be unlocking ssport or anything, just that i needed to do it. Don't give the dealer any more info than they need.

[OverCorrupt]

Eyedreamt,

since your in the US did you need to select Automatic Reprogramming (can) or was there a US button?

[TrailBrake]

Allegedly there is a rental program from Mitsubishi's official special tool supplier. But the web is full of people actually not being able to rent one. I think it was like $700 for a couple days use.


Rental fees and security deposits vary.

The Canadian Rental agreement:
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.ca/media/pdf/Rental_Agreement_EN.pdf

[crak]

? Everyone is all wet and giddy over this. Cool. But for all the guys that have done this, did you just walk into a dealership and get this done? Did you rent a MUTT 3 from Miller Special Tools or SPX? Do tell. From this write up it sounds like instructions for just anyone to do it. Splain more please.

Here is one to buy used I guess for $1500
http://www.ebay.com/itm/280807321650#ht_5804wt_952

Allegedly there is a rental program from Mitsubishi's official special tool supplier. But the web is full of people actually not being able to rent one. I think it was like $700 for a couple days use.

Or is everyone going to do this counting on being bestest buddies with a service manager that will sneak this home for a weekend?

Mike W

Anyone that can get access to a MUT3. Don't feel like buying one or getting buddy buddy with someone who owns one? Then dont bother.

[p1llar]

Crak, props to you! I want to check out your RA.

[eyedreamt]

Eyedreamt,

since your in the US did you need to select Automatic Reprogramming (can) or was there a US button?

CAN is the protocol, not the country. I still used the same button "Automatic Reprogramming (CAN)"

[crak]

Crak, props to you! I want to check out your RA.

come check it out anytime!

[KrazyRA]

Maybe Mike@RRE can purchase a MUT-III and charge us California guys to use it.... Just a thought.

[tencents]

This from tactrix

"Hello from Tactrix Ching,

Although we have no current plans to implement TCU flashing, I will add this to our listings of desired feature requests. Thank you for the suggestion, as input from our customers are always highly regarded. Stay tuned to the bulletins on the Tactrix home page for upcoming release notes."

Hopefully we can achieve this in the future getting s-sport and lc flash without mut iii. I think we all need to request this to hopefully see a tcu flash.

[TrailBrake]

Just an idea. Maybe someone can create a list of people willing to pay for adding the TCU functionality. That may speed up the development effort.

[BravoZero]

Whoa... WTF did I miss? This is awesome.

Anyone had a chance to test it yet?

[Markspd6]

Maybe Mike@RRE can purchase a MUT-III and charge us California guys to use it.... Just a thought.



I have some stuff to ask mike, ill see what he says.. That doesn't seem too out of line..

[crak]

Whoa... WTF did I miss? This is awesome.

Anyone had a chance to test it yet?

We have had about 4-5 people actually do this.

The code seems to work globally on all models, however yes SS, but no LC on 2009. You can get LC on 2009 cars by putting on a 2010 map. I'm scared to do it though. I need more confidence thrown at me from Beeble to attempt such a feat.

[crak]

Update: LC does work on 2009 ralliarts. Just don't pussy foot the gas pedal.

Step1: Turn off ASC
Step2: put on S-sport
step3: slam brake to ground
step4: slam pedal to the metal (no pussy foot)
step5: release brake
step6: profit

Crak out.

[richardh]

ha! Awesome.

Now you just need to post this in all 23 threads across multiple forums, lol.

Rich

[razorlab]

I really need to find a MUT3... I'm sick of my clutches slipping every time I go WOT....

[tencents]

Argh the dealer was willing to charge $137.50/hr for usuage until he found out i was going to use my own file to flash... There's got to be a way to bypass using the VCI!

[crak]

Argh the dealer was willing to charge $137.50/hr for usuage until he found out i was going to use my own file to flash... There's got to be a way to bypass using the VCI!

try to walk in the back where mechanics are, offer one 40 bucks to use it for 10 min.

[TrailBrake]

Hopefully I can find some dealer guys willing to do that in my area for a little $ on the side or I will have to look into coughing up the big bucks for a MUT 3 tool :(

[Glassman]

Got myself an appointment for Monday! :) I saved a copy of the file onto a CD guess that's all I need lol. Service guy is calling me tomorrow just to make sure they will use the program I have.... I don't want drive 2 hours for them to say "no we can't use your own CD" I'm just going to say I got the program from my dads work (aamco transmission) and I just want to make sure its the program is the right one sneaky sneaky ;)

[Beeble]

Going to do a 2011 this weekend, with the 2011 Evo cff file
will see what transpires


i cbf finding where i wrote it now (too many forums this info is on!),
but i found files that correlate to
2008 evo
2009/10 evo
2011 evo
2009/10 RA
2011 RA

so you can turn the evo-ised ralliart SST back in to a vanilla RA SST if required :)

[OverCorrupt]

Got myself an appointment for Monday! :) I saved a copy of the file onto a CD guess that's all I need lol. Service guy is calling me tomorrow just to make sure they will use the program I have.... I don't want drive 2 hours for them to say "no we can't use your own CD" I'm just going to say I got the program from my dads work (aamco transmission) and I just want to make sure its the program is the right one sneaky sneaky ;)

Let me know how that goes! if the guy is cool and realizes what your doing tell him you got some buddies that want it too!

[Sinestra]

This doesnt seem complicated at all and im starting to have more confidence doing things on the RA now that iv had it for over a month. I guess i will give my dealership a shot and see if they will let me do this.

What are the other advantages to have S-Sport other than LUC?

[zeRep85]

What are the other advantages to have S-Sport other than LC?

The biggest advantage IMO is the increase in clamp pressure.
Increase in pressure means less slip.
Less slip means less heat.
Less heat means longer tranny life.
Longer tranny life means happier ME! :)

zeRep

[Glassman]

Let me know how that goes! if the guy is cool and realizes what your doing tell him you got some buddies that want it too!

The service tech called and asked what I needed. Just said I need to use the mut3 device to program my tcu. He said they dont use the mut3 anymore its outdated. They just use a computer now.:confused:

[crak]

then say VCI or MEDIC 3

the VCI is a combination of MEDIC 3 and MUT3
:)
MEDIC (Mitsubishi Electronic & Diagnostic Information Center)
VCI (Vehicle Communication Interface)

the laptop will look like this: http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/4/5/8/1/5/9/webimg/498809044_o.jpg

However the program will look different. The laptop in the picture has MEDIC 2 on it. you want MEDIC 3

This is a MUT 3http://www.diagok.com/Clkj_Images/upfile/20101070161432848.jpg

know the difference:)

to be honest i think people are confused. In reality there is no MUT3. Its the VCI connected to the OBD2 port using a program called MEDIC 3 which tunes the tcu

[zeRep85]

TTT!

We need someone in Southern California to do this!!!!! i want SSport!

zeRep

[Glassman]

Makes sence crak! I had no idea:o called all local dealerships noone will help me. Called cbrd and they are looking for something to use lol. More people should call so he will look asap! Maybe we can have a meet/dyno day:D

[crak]

All mitsubishi dealerships have the vci. They need it to reprogram thier cars. Just walk into the garage in the back and look for a willing mechanic. Offer 40$ for 15min with the unit and get them to sit with ya. Dont ever deal with the service desk, they are a bunch of lemmings

[MTZL]

Thanks Crak for the update. I just need to make some money before I can throw it at the tech. For those that cant get the tech to do it just need some negotiation skills. And of course, money, dinaro, mulla, or a hooker. :rolleyes:

Sometimes you need to circumvent the problem or problematic people.

[BravoZero]

I wonder if King Mitsu can do this for me, I'll have to ask Travis he might be able to work something out.

[Glassman]

I wonder if King Mitsu can do this for me, I'll have to ask Travis he might be able to work something out.

Let me know how it goes.

[OverCorrupt]

Let me know how it goes.

+1!!! Id pay well for this!

[AlphaKennyBody]

I'll be doing this tomorrow.... Hopefully... So I'll report back on how it does. I'll be sure to bring my Go Pro With me if successful

[zeRep85]

I'll be doing this tomorrow.... Hopefully... So I'll report back on how it does. I'll be sure to bring my Go Pro With me if successful

GoPro it up son!

FYI Ralphy just posted a pic on FB....damn you! :)

1st in so cal?

zeRep

[AlphaKennyBody]

I think so.... LC works fine in my car.... S-Sport is hella aggressive with the tables I have now....

It's too the point where when I give the car Part throttle.... It snaps necks and slaps the Rear diff =)

I had a friend drive the car without me telling him what I did and sure enough he said "HOLY SHIT"

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/558441_10151029577095025_1595196032_n.jpg

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/423898_10151029577145025_618689005_n.jpg

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/582253_10151029577200025_1704132785_n.jpg

[crak]

Right on! thats what I like to see!

I think so.... LC works fine in my car.... S-Sport is hella aggressive with the tables I have now....

It's too the point where when I give the car Part throttle.... It snaps necks and slaps the Rear diff =)

I had a friend drive the car without me telling him what I did and sure enough he said "HOLY SHIT"

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/558441_10151029577095025_1595196032_n.jpg

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/423898_10151029577145025_618689005_n.jpg

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/582253_10151029577200025_1704132785_n.jpg

[Markspd6]

nice!!

now when you do this, are you programming the engine or the tranny? ive been told they each have there own computers and arent tied together(sorry if im off on that) i can wrench no problem, but computer stuff baffles me..

[AlphaKennyBody]

It only reprograms the TCU which is not related to the ECU which you tune when you get a tune.

So short answer, Trans is only thing that gets modified.

[Markspd6]

TCU goes through OBD2 port? or another?

[AlphaKennyBody]

OBD2 Port.

[MTZL]

Can you tell us what you told/ask the tech to do? you can pm me.

[AlphaKennyBody]

Can you tell us what you told/ask the tech to do? you can pm me.

Unless You know the Gen/HEAD Tech there at the dealer... Good Luck trying to have them flash this... I did this myself as I know the dealer pretty well and have it good there....

This is an Auto Warranty Void.... however my warranty was voided when my odometer hit 56 Miles from purchase lol.....

I'm going to be talking with my Tech soon to see if he can work up a price for doing such.... It doesn't take long as the directions says but it's something they aren't suppose to do and they aren't getting paid by mitsu for doing it... I'll keep you posted...

[AlphaKennyBody]

Epic Fail... So Went to our local meet here in the 909..... I decided to bust out the go pro to get a shot of how the car shifts at WOT and possibly a LC launch......

I go out and do my thing to only realize.... The Go Pro had a low battery and died the minute I got on the freeway. Which I wasted gas for nothing but my own satisfaction.

[AlphaKennyBody]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvuiniGU-Bc

Enjoy... =)

[GAbOS]

Fuqing Gangnam style awesome!


So what's the process to use LC? Brake stand it in SSport?

[AlphaKennyBody]

Fuqing Gangnam style awesome!


So what's the process to use LC? Brake stand it in SSport?


Yeah and be sure ASC off.... But you have to mash the pedal not pussy foot it =)

[zeRep85]

Yeah and be sure ASC off.... But you have to mash the pedal not pussy foot it =)

I gotta stop by the 909 meet and check this out!

zeRep

[AlphaKennyBody]

lol Sure... Not much to see hahaha

[Sinestra]

I wonder if King Mitsu can do this for me, I'll have to ask Travis he might be able to work something out.

Already called him last week. Hes looking into it.

[myred3kgt]

I have a vid of it working can someone tell me how to upload the video

[BravoZero]

I have a vid of it working can someone tell me how to upload the video

Youtube vid?

[myred3kgt]

Youtube vid?

Thanks I'm an idiot ...

cnGFeOvRDEk

[Jackal]

No Comment.

[BravoZero]

Fixed the video link, should play right in the post.

[crak]

Need a video showing you can launch at 5k PRM. This video only shows the fact that you can now access Super sport mode.

search for it from other threads. its around, we shouldn't have to baby sit you.

[AlphaKennyBody]

Need a video showing you can launch at 5k PRM. This video only shows the fact that you can now access Super sport mode.

did you seriouslly just not read all the posts?

I posted my personal video in the previous page?

I dont know why you souly only paying attention to LC but yes YOU can... nothing new here.

[BravoZero]

Read the friggin posts, people.

[EricS09RA]

I'm planning on getting this done next week. Just wondering if any of you guys who have done it already have had any issues.

[SnipeRA]

I'm planning on getting this done next week. Just wondering if any of you guys who have done it already have had any issues.

Where are you getting this done..looks like i need make a trip south

[myred3kgt]

I'm planning on getting this done next week. Just wondering if any of you guys who have done it already have had any issues.

I did mine but have not used it much, i am waiting on the tune... Used theLC a couple times but thats it .

[EricS09RA]

Where are you getting this done..looks like i need make a trip south

a dealership in Miami is gonna do it for $100 (1 hour labor). The service managers brother is a member of SoFlancer, so he's cool with us.

[crak]

a dealership in Miami is gonna do it for $100 (1 hour labor). The service managers brother is a member of SoFlancer, so he's cool with us.

seriously skip the service manager. they want to rob you of cash. go meet a mechanic at the back and offer them 20$

[tencents]

The depressing part is we all know it can be done and I still yet to have it :(

[Markspd6]

If I get down there anytime soon, I'll ask if they can do this at Cobb or with the Cobb unit... Seems like if it goes through obd2, it should be able to run withthe Cobb ap?

[razorlab]

If I get down there anytime soon, I'll ask if they can do this at Cobb or with the Cobb unit... Seems like if it goes through obd2, it should be able to run withthe Cobb ap?

The COBB AP cannot do it yet. Mitsubishi MUT3 only for now.

[RALM]

If I get down there anytime soon, I'll ask if they can do this at Cobb or with the Cobb unit... Seems like if it goes through obd2, it should be able to run withthe Cobb ap?

I was also pondering this.

[Janko Ralliart]

Hi

I'm wondering is anybody in BC or AB who can do this upgrade?
I would drive to CRAK but you are just too far away
I'm in Vancouver, BC

Let me know, thanks

[Drew]

Is this reversible, in a sense of flashing back to stock?

[crak]

Is this reversible, in a sense of flashing back to stock?

yes. just let the medic 3 run a software check then it will update

[Drew]

yes. just let the medic 3 run a software check then it will update

I don't know that I would do this :rolleyes:, but it is good to know that if, let's say, my friend chooses to do this, he can go back to stock in case of trouble :D

[EricS09RA]

Updated my 09, works like a charm, launch control and all!

[crak]

right on! join the new and improved ralliart community!

[zeRep85]

right on! join the new and improved ralliart community!

*sigh* i want to be part of this new and improved community!

[AlphaKennyBody]

^ I'm trying bud... I'm trying....

[EricS09RA]

I've tried using launch control in both auto and manual mode but every time it throws the slow down light and the clutches disengage. Are there any ideas on how I can get it to work without failing?

[crak]

dont pussy foot it. slam the brake down hard. then slam the gas peddal down to the floor hard.

make sure its in SS and ASC off

[EricS09RA]

It works up to the point where its time to shift into second, as soon as I go to shift, I get the "slow down" light, the clutches dissengage, and the car goes into some sort of epileptic fit until the engine slows back down.

[crak]

Let the car shift for you in auto? You should be in auto for this.

[Markspd6]

yeah, i like to use the manual mode but, i seem to get better race results in auto.. must be a smart computer.

[EricS09RA]

I tried once in auto and once in manual, both resulted the same :confused:. The last time I went to the drag strip (about a year ago), I tried to run in auto mode, but I had the same "slow down" result. I did the rest of the runs in manual and had no problem. It's been like this ever since I did the turbo swap.

[tencents]

Must be something to do with boost and sst tables, bigger turbo and over boosting?

[crak]

might need to invest in this: http://www.amsperformance.com/cart/AMS-Mitsubishi-Lancer-Evolution-X-10-MR-Ralliart-SST-Transmission-Cooler-Kit.html

Never seen the slow down message ever after I got this thing. Huge difference maker.

You can build the kit yourself (buy parts from others sites), or buy the thing as a whole.

[EricS09RA]

I deffinitely need to invest in a tranny cooler. But I'm wondering my issue has to do with the fact that evos are limited to half boost in first gear and Ralliarts are not.

[AlphaKennyBody]

If your Able to Get to 5K, dont sit there and wait and watch it stay up there.... Also dont attempt after you drove the car hard building SST temp up.

[crak]

Eric are you using B151 or B001?

[EricS09RA]

If your Able to Get to 5K, dont sit there and wait and watch it stay up there.... Also dont attempt after you drove the car hard building SST temp up.

I only let it sit there for about 1-1.5 secs. The first time I tried was immediately after the re-flash, the car had been sitting for about 30 mins. The second time was right after I did some data logging, so I'm sure tranny was good n hot for that one.

Eric are you using B151 or B001?

B001

[tencents]

Finally i'm a part of the exclusive S-Sport and LC RA bunch :)
What i'm noticing is 6th gear doesn't happen at 60km/hr anymore but at 70-80km/h and rev starts floating at around 1800-2200rpm in 6th gear.
Launched 4 times, 3/4 worked, once i forgot to stomp the gas like stomping a cockroach, turbo spooled and didn't take off... failed
overall very happy.

[crak]

check this: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333995

These guys have a similar problem and think its the torque converter or thier fluid is bad.

Seeing how i just changed my fluid I know its not that. But the fact that this is happening to all our vehicles...hmm

[HTIEK]

Awesome read would love this feature!

[tencents]

i really don't think its the fluid. I kept an eye a the rev before flashing and it never occured except after the flash.

Funny thing is my normal/auto shifts quite sharp and i'm no longer in 6th gear when at 60km/hr.. 6th gear changes at 70km. i tested normal/maunal and the gear changes is crap, slow and all that slipping crap... like it has always been OEM. Its different to GST V3.0.. feels like its back to stock rom or something... It feels like a different car.... i am really curious what's in the TCU file, what its controlling... do we need to to get evo sst tables in the ecu too just to make things happy?

[crak]

Something definitely is up. We need to get some logs made and submitted with data. to be honest, when i first noticed the 6th gear rev hunting made me wonder. Im going to get some logs done today and tomorrow hopefully rich and razarlabs can get something together.

I know, TrailBrake said his dealership did this and have done research to say its safe, but i need to know more about this.

@TrailBrake: Can you give me a phone number of someone I can talk to at your dealrship who did the research on this. I want to find out some more info. :)

[TrailBrake]

Something definitely is up. We need to get some logs made and submitted with data. to be honest, when i first noticed the 6th gear rev hunting made me wonder. Im going to get some logs done today and tomorrow hopefully rich and razarlabs can get something together.

I know, TrailBrake said his dealership did this and have done research to say its safe, but i need to know more about this.

@TrailBrake: Can you give me a phone number of someone I can talk to at your dealrship who did the research on this. I want to find out some more info. :)

Crak,

I can't vouch for how detailed their testing was, but I can forward along their contact info via PM.

[zeRep85]

uh oh :(

Ralphy, any input?

zeRep

[AlphaKennyBody]

I haven't and honestly, don't even care for the Rev Hunting Issues.. I dont drive my car doing 50-55 in 6th. I'm only in 6th on the freeway which I'm always doing 70-75.

Doing the Flash is SAFE.... but the results of users driving on S-Sport isn't...

The car is really aggressive on the clutches.... the Clutches are used much more for rapid changes in Decel and Accel. You can hear the trans much more now... I mean I went to the 909 meet and was asked if it was Supercharged hahaha....

[crak]

LC will wear down the clutches. Driving in S-sport/manual is ok. There still is clutch clip just 3/4 as much as normal and 1/2 as much as sport. Its a lot firmer, but skips the slippage. The SST gears are solid and can handle the hard clutch pressure.

[AlphaKennyBody]

I suggest you do more research.... I never drive in Auto.

Log the car again on drives, when you notice that clutch slip is vastly increased for rapdi changes you'll understand then... It's not clutch slip in between gears it's while in gear. =)

[crak]

Ill double check that...

[razorlab]

There is always logged clutch slip when driving normal, it's normal operation of the clutches... in all modes.

Is that what you are guys are talking about?

[crak]

We are discussing how much slip happens during the process of when the clutch engages the fly wheel.

[AlphaKennyBody]

We know there's slip....

But there much more slip in S-Sport considering, if you drive it in S-Sport Auto, it the car will stay in that HIGH RPM perferfect for Drag racers but you can hear the clutches slipping to prep for the next downshift or upshift for that rapid change..... Hope that made sense...

Hell, Go in S-Sport shift to second.... and let it decel in 2nd and you'll hear that "Supercharged" Sound from 1st gear tryign to grab since S-Sport isn't made for lower RPM's

[zeRep85]

But there much more slip in S-Sport considering, if you drive it in S-Sport Auto, it the car will stay in that HIGH RPM perferfect for Drag racers but you can hear the clutches slipping to prep for the next downshift or upshift for that rapid change..... Hope that made sense...

Hell, Go in S-Sport shift to second.... and let it decel in 2nd and you'll hear that "Supercharged" Sound from 1st gear tryign to grab since S-Sport isn't made for lower RPM's

Made sense. Do you use SS mode while cruising still? or switch back to normal but still in manual?

zeRep

[EricS09RA]

I drive in S-Sport/Manual all the time.

[zeRep85]

I drive in S-Sport/Manual all the time.

yeah, i thought that was the general consensus, but with such issues arising with SS mode, I figured maybe things change.

zeRep

[crak]

I was also refering to this link: http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-x-engine-management-tuning-forums/574815-sst-modes-clutch-pressure-clutch-slip.html

this is coming from tephra himself.

S-sport has little slip. I will log to see myself, but I don't know if his y axis is time or RPM's

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jossue
So what i got is that S-Sport is less abusive on your clutches? Am I right to get this conclusion form the grahps if so then i should be in S-Sport all the time(manual) as to not be red lining all the time?
S/Sport lets them slip less, yes that's correct.

but as you also know it makes the shifts more abrupt
If you can live with it, S/Sport will technically look after the clutches better... that's what i get out of this data aswell.

Personally i either drive in Normal/full auto / granma mode , or S/Sport full kill mode
I don't think Sport ever gets engaged, except to switch from one to the other.

Alpha, that's why i'm confused when you say there's MORE slip with S-sport.

I am going to do some logging hopeully this week or by this weekend to see if this is EVO only or it also apply's to our Ralliarts.

[AlphaKennyBody]

I never Cruise in S-Sport... that's retarded and against the purpose of S-sport...

If I'm not going to be on the car HARD..... then I put it back on Sport. Less Wear n Tear.... I'm not trying to scare anyone but people need to be warned on what their getting themselves into..... I love S-Sport but not everywhere you go or drive....

The Best Way to Describe the characteristics of how S-Sport works...... picture yourself at a light and your want to drag race against someone. The fast rapid aggressive shifting/NLTS (for manual driven cars) is how it drives. Then Sport is the mentality of knowing you can beat someone by granny shifting but still taking the car to redline.

The Clutch Pressure/Slip/wear is much more increased while in S-Sport. The Minute you De-Cel the lower gear IE in 5th,... 4th will start to proceed to grab gear (Slip the clutch) so the minute you need it, it's there.

S-Sport is seriously designed for specifically for Spirited drives. Trust me, I put lots of time on logging and checking the Pros and Cons of having S-Sport.

Again, I'm just 1 person, feel free to do your own logging to see what I'm talking about.

-Ralphy

[richardh]

Then Sport is the mentality of knowing you can beat someone by granny shifting but still taking the car to redline.

It was at this point my brain pulled the eject cord... :D

Rich

[TrailBrake]

If I'm not going to be on the car HARD..... then I put it back on Sport. Less Wear n Tear.... I'm not trying to scare anyone but people need to be warned on what their getting themselves into..... I love S-Sport but not everywhere you go or drive....


That's what I have been doing, albeit without the benefit of extensive data logging. I let the car warm up in normal/manual for 10-15 minutes depending on the outside temperature, and then switch it over to sport/manual the majority of the time. When I am in a suitably sporty situation, then I use S-Sport.

[AlphaKennyBody]

It was at this point my brain pulled the eject cord... :D

Rich

HAHAHAH Rich, not like that.. Sport mode has Significantly changed from stock maps..... But that's major difference between SS and S. Anyone with SS will vouch for that statement.

I mean I love driving on Sport mode when it should be, but like Trail and myself.... SS just blows Sport mode out of the water. =) Poor Rich.... Hurry up and get SS! Just dont tell your significant other!

[tencents]

HAHAHAH Rich, not like that.. Sport mode has Significantly changed from stock maps..... But that's major difference between SS and S. Anyone with SS will vouch for that statement.

I mean I love driving on Sport mode when it should be, but like Trail and myself.... SS just blows Sport mode out of the water. =) Poor Rich.... Hurry up and get SS! Just dont tell your significant other!

If u have never tried SSport mode and LC.. DON't! At least u won't know what ur missing out on. :D

But yeah.. HURRY up ur missing out dude.:eek:

[tencents]

http://www.filedump.net/dumped/chart11350474467.gif
http://www.filedump.net/dumped/chart21350474467.gif

ok what is this telling us?

[crak]

lol, clean that up!

[zeRep85]

Thats a good Excite Bike track!

zeRep

[savtej23]

Why was this taken down? :(

[TrailBrake]

Lots of colours to discern from those graphs, but it does appear to confirm the higher clutch pressures based on mode: s-sport > sport > normal mode.

Be nice to your SST by letting it warm up completely (clutches and fluid) before using sport or s-sport mode.

[BravoZero]

I wish I would have had the chance to test out LC and SSport before selling the RA.

[RALM]

What vehicle did you replace the RA with?

[BravoZero]

What vehicle did you replace the RA with?

2013 Ford Escape Titanium AWD, 2.0L Ecoboost.

[RALM]

2013 Ford Escape Titanium AWD, 2.0L Ecoboost.

that's a powerfull little 2.0 L turbo suv. You just couldn't stay away from a turbocharged vehicle.:D

[BravoZero]

that's a powerfull little 2.0 L turbo suv. You just couldn't stay away from a turbocharged vehicle.:D

Nope, even though I wanted another V8, can't afford it. So the 2.0L turbo will have to do for now.

[myred3kgt]

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr22/myred3kgt/techtalk.jpg

['11WallyWorldHauler]

Now this wouldn't pass some hard looking, but what you need is a dumb/smart SST Mode Switch that will only hold for 3 seconds when you purposely tell it to, not if some warranty nazi jumps in the car sniffing for Super Sport. Okay alot of assembly line controls have anti holddown features so you can't put a brick on the "On" button and use both hands to feed and empty a machine. It slows production, but cuts down on lost time accidents. Where I work our continuous mining machines have "Tram Enable" switches that must be pressed before the actual Tram Levers work. So if you had a S-Sport Enable Button that had to be pressed before the Normal Mode Button would go into S-Sport Mode when held for 3 seconds you could make it a wee bit harder to be detected.

[MTZL]

I don't ever plan to take my ra back to the dealer for any warranty, so they can go eff themselves. Ok, I may have to take it in for ssport firmware update. lol.

[RALM]

I don't ever plan to take my ra back to the dealer for any warranty, so they can go eff themselves. Ok, I may have to take it in for ssport firmware update. lol.

? So we can get the ssport mode firmware update without warranty issuses? Or do you personally know someone there who will provide you with the ssport mode?

[iralli_iskustvo]

so how do you put s port on ralli?

[crak]

just like a gst tune, the s-sport tune will void your warrenty.

[myred3kgt]

? So we can get the ssport mode firmware update without warranty issuses? Or do you personally know someone there who will provide you with the ssport mode?

I found will void warranty, Simple as that ...

[tencents]

Any modification to a specific part of the car will void warranty on that part. If u wanna mod then don't worry about warranty. If u worry about warranty then don't mod.

[BoMbA_CaJu]

Good evening. I'm from Brazil and I got my Ralliart on last Friday.

Today I went to the dealership and did the SST update with the version B151 (2011 + Evo X). :D

I tested the launch control and it's ok and fine!!!! :cool:

But I realized that while driving to the car in S-Sport mode, i can hear a noise from the trans, as if something in friction. Is this normal? I saw other posts here where they spoke that looks that the car is supercharged!!

What is it?

MUT-III
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm30/bomba_caju/Lancer/82DC8554-E795-4EF1-8A8E-3308AD05D13A-983-0000002CE6F73276_zpsaa5b12bb.jpg

After the update
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm30/bomba_caju/Lancer/2B16B246-47AB-4C5D-9DE3-EBF783B59253-983-0000002CEA42E009_zps7df305eb.jpg

[RALM]

Good evening. I'm from Brazil and I got my Ralliart on last Friday.

Today I went to the dealership and did the SST update with the version B151 (2011 + Evo X). :D

I tested the launch control and it's ok and fine!!!! :cool:

But I realized that while driving to the car in S-Sport mode, i can hear a noise from the trans, as if something in friction. Is this normal? I saw other posts here where they spoke that looks that the car is supercharged!!

What is it?

MUT-III
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm30/bomba_caju/Lancer/82DC8554-E795-4EF1-8A8E-3308AD05D13A-983-0000002CE6F73276_zpsaa5b12bb.jpg

After the update
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm30/bomba_caju/Lancer/2B16B246-47AB-4C5D-9DE3-EBF783B59253-983-0000002CEA42E009_zps7df305eb.jpg

What exactly are you trying to ask?

[BoMbA_CaJu]

What exactly are you trying to ask?

Where i can find the original cff TCU file? I want to go back stock and i don´t have the cff file!!!

Lancer Sportback Ralliart 2013

:(

[crak]

its not available to 2013 but you could use the 2011+ original file.

8631B152.cff (21.6.2010)

This has not been done with the 2013 models. The 152.cff file "should" work. no one has done this yet to test.

Question thought, why do you want to take ssport off anyways?

[BoMbA_CaJu]

its not available to 2013 but you could use the 2011+ original file.

8631B152.cff (21.6.2010)

This has not been done with the 2013 models. The 152.cff file "should" work. no one has done this yet to test.

Question thought, why do you want to take ssport off anyways?

Excessive clutch slipping.

And ECU has a 6800RPM limit ans TCU with EVO firmware has 7.000.... So, sometimes the 4th doesn´t engage

(sorry my bad english... im Brazilian)

[MTZL]

how about ecu tune to raise the limiter to 7.00?

[TrailBrake]

Do you have excessive clutch slippage in sport mode?

If you have excessive slippage in sport mode, and your power level is close to stock, s-sport mode will help. However, it only masks the real issue with the transmission. The problem will still be there.


Excessive clutch slipping.

And ECU has a 6800RPM limit ans TCU with EVO firmware has 7.000.... So, sometimes the 4th doesn´t engage

(sorry my bad english... im Brazilian)

['11WallyWorldHauler]

I use to know the conversion rate of Km to Miles when I lived in Japan. Now I'm too lazy to look up a converter in Google. .6 one way or the other. At any rate its pretty low mileage so why the heck are you driving all the time in S-Sport Mode? Can you not change modes to Normal or Sport? Is it just a matter of figuring out the new car? Example: For the first six months my wife did most of the drving in our Ralliart and I only "played" with it on weekends and it took me that long to figure out the car had push style dome lights. I was like man I can't believe this car doesn't have a manual dome light and then I naturally raised my hand up and boom the light came on :)

[HENRYBEAST]

Aww man why was this taken down? anyone happen to still have the file. I want SS Mode!!!

[TrailBrake]

Aww man why was this taken down? anyone happen to still have the file. I want SS Mode!!!

http://evosoulselect.com/review/archives/1076

[skills]

I've asked this somewhere before, but after reading this article I figure it can't hurt to ask here.

The TCU flash to get S-Sport seems pretty extreme compared to something like a GST basemap. Can a tech/dealership tell if an ECU (not tcu.. I guess? or does the gst flash the tcu also?) was flashed to a basemap, and re flashed to stock? Can they tell when/is there a timestamp? It would be a bummer if someone has unrelated problem that got lumped in with a "warranty violation" because of a basemap flash that had nothing to do with the problem that needed to be repaired.


Thanks!

[skills]

I found this. Seems conclusive.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-x-general/624129-tunes-flash-counters-warranty-interview-evo-master-tech.html

[crak]

There is just an ECU flash counter. The dealership does flashes all the time. If they wanted to make a stink they could. There was one guy back in the day who had a stock ralliart that he purchased from the dealership and blew his engine. They checked his car out and saw his rpm went to 7600+ (which is above stock value) indicating that his car was tuned. Furious the guy claimed that he did nothing to his car but purchased it brand new. So it could be based on the case there could be a stored "maximum" rpm value. Then again this is just one case, and it all depends on the dealsership.

Many users tune and take care of their car with no issues. As long as you do the proper oil changes you would not have much to worry about.

[TrailBrake]

I have to take issue with the last sentence in #4:

4. Does the factory log cars known to be tuned by VIN numbers?
No. Mitsubishi has no way to know unless a tech calls them and tells them. There is no database connected to the MUT terminals. Also, they don't care enough to worry about it.

It is a well known fact that certain dealers in the Toronto area have reported modded cars to corporate via their VIN #, and those cars had their warranties voided. So yes, they DO care enough to worry about it!

[crak]

I have to take issue with the last sentence in #4:

4. Does the factory log cars known to be tuned by VIN numbers?
No. Mitsubishi has no way to know unless a tech calls them and tells them. There is no database connected to the MUT terminals. Also, they don't care enough to worry about it.

It is a well known fact that certain dealers in the Toronto area have reported modded cars to corporate via their VIN #, and those cars had their warranties voided. So yes, they DO care enough to worry about it!

TB is right. Be careful who you trust out there.

[tencents]

Does anyone know if adjusting stationary rev limiter will allow you to launch at different RPM using the LC. what is best RPM to launch at with stock turbo 3500rpm?

[TrailBrake]

Does anyone know if adjusting stationary rev limiter will allow you to launch at different RPM using the LC. what is best RPM to launch at with stock turbo 3500rpm?

It would be nice to be able to adjust that, but the quick and dirty at this point appears to be the tap method:
http://www.clubralliart.com/showthread.php?t=3457

[Rralliart09]

Why was this "taken down"?

[MTZL]

Crak you can add this to your How to
http://www.scribd.com/doc/7341282/03-00-015-Engine-Controls-PCM-Reprogramming-Procedure


I bought a MUTIII but it didnt come with Compact Flash memory card (with reprogramming data) (MB991853, MB992228) & CF card adapter (MB991939)

So I contacted http://www.obd2works.com/ to purchase just Compact Flash memory card (with reprogramming data) (MB991853, MB992228) & CF card adapter (MB991939) Update: $129.00 turned out to be wtf $250.00 later... still have to wait for shipping....

Since I have MUTIII in hand might as well play with it but ran into another problem.
MUTIII (per the manual) only operate on XP, I have Windows 7 Home Premium....
So I had to upgrade to Windows 7 Ultimate which I had collecting dust.
After the Windows 7 Ultimate upgrade, I had to install Virtual PC.
After Virtual PC, I had to install Windows XP mode.

After that, FUSO MUTIII software...
After the install, reprogramming features are missing/turned off. Back to hurry up & wait for
Compact Flash memory card (with reprogramming data) (MB991853, MB992228) & CF card adapter (MB991939)

MUT III Manual (I will just leave this here)
http://aetools.us/Docs%20and%20pdf/mut3manual.pdf

[Reserved for update]

[tencents]

http://forums.evolutionm.net/mitsubishi-tc-sst-discussion-all-equipped-models/693398-ralliart-evo-x-mr-tc-sst-beta-testing-flash-tactrix.html#post11233287

Available via tactrix.. try at your own risk

[Rralliart09]

Any chance someone can do a how to and or a youtube video on how to do this? I'm not following the guide that's in the link.

[ROMITON1]

I am almost at 60K so I will not care about my warranty for too much longer; had anyone done this?

Is it difficult and what did you notice different with the drive?

[KrazyRA]

I did this today. I followed the steps in the instructions. It is a little confusing when you are just scrolling through the instructions. My suggestion is to read the whole thing, download all the files needed and then start. To the actual driving test. S-Sport mode shifts a little bit quicker than sport mode. I have a 2009 Ralliart and Launch control works!

[Rralliart09]

As far as I know you turn off the traction control put it in S-Sport hold the brake with your left foot and floor the gas. The revs should hold at around 4k then just release the brakes and vooom! If I PM you my number could you talk me through the process of getting it flashed to my car?

[MTZL]

KrazyRA: We need to talk. :)

[Jackal]

Going to try this on the weekend.

[Jackal]

Mission Accomplished.
I now have Super Sport mode and Launch Control at my disposal. Thanks to everyone who contributed to make this a reality.
The only complaint I have is the fact that unlike normal and sport modes which you can flip between on the fly at pretty much any speed accelerating for decelerating.

You must be at a complete stop and engine and transmission must both be up to operating temperature.

Now while still stopped completely with foot on the brake pedal with car in Drive .
You then must push toggle switch forward once into sport mode, release now push and hold switch forward until S-Sport comes up on the display between the 2 main gauges.

Press and hold brake pedal hard then rapidly push down on gas pedal and release brake as RPM comes up close to 5 K and away you go. If there is some residual gravel etc on the roadway the tires are going to be spinning as you launch so make sure road is clear and dry and you are focused to make any corrections.

I made a few runs early this Sunday morning on a back road in an industrial park away from any people or housing etc..with another person along as a spotter. Think this should shave approx. 3/10th of a second of my 1/4 mile times at the track.

[MTZL]

You don't have to tap the throttle. If you press the brake all the way in & press the loud pedal all the way it will go to 5k & stay there, but you don't want to stay there too long or you will get limp mode. Timing is very critical at that point. Shifting gears & traction is a major concern. It was 108 degree at the time of launch so it was a bit warm. :)

[ROMITON1]

I want this...

[Rralliart09]

Mission Accomplished.
I now have Super Sport mode and Launch Control at my disposal. Thanks to everyone who contributed to make this a reality.
The only complaint I have is the fact that unlike normal and sport modes which you can flip between on the fly at pretty much any speed accelerating for decelerating.

You must be at a complete stop and engine and transmission must both be up to operating temperature.

Now while still stopped completely with foot on the brake pedal with car in Drive .
You then must push toggle switch forward once into sport mode, release now push and hold switch forward until S-Sport comes up on the display between the 2 main gauges.

Press and hold brake pedal hard then rapidly push down on gas pedal and release brake as RPM comes up close to 5 K and away you go. If there is some residual gravel etc on the roadway the tires are going to be spinning as you launch so make sure road is clear and dry and you are focused to make any corrections.

I made a few runs early this Sunday morning on a back road in an industrial park away from any people or housing etc..with another person along as a spotter. Think this should shave approx. 3/10th of a second of my 1/4 mile times at the track.

I'm glad you posted this. I was thinking there was something wrong with my flash. You can select S-Sport in park or Drive/Manuel mode but you do need to be stopped. With the launch control, ASC off, S-Sport engaged, left foot pressing the brake, floor the gas peddle, it'll jump to 5k revs and hold there, then dump the brake and wooooooooosh! Good times!

[Rralliart09]

I also want to say thanks to KrazyRA for walking me through the process. You were and unbelievably huge help. Couldn't have done it without you. Thanks bro.

[iralli_iskustvo]

I need this bad.

[Jackal]

O.k Have had a lot of problems with my car shifting after flashing to S-Sport etc... Another Ralliart owner and buddy did the original flash, but it was done outside on a sunny day and I stared at glare most of the process. I was just so happy at the time that I actually now had S-Sport mode on the car I didn't get him to review everything with me. He just said I just followed the guide.
I tried to flash back to the B002 file. But here is the problem I am facing is that the pass thru can now reads my
ECU Part number as 8631A827 my S/W part number as 8631A8270B basically now sees my car as a 2009 Evo.

So I can put the Ralliart B002 FLPart file into the XML folder after changing the TARGET_HW_ PNAME to Ralliart ECU number and TARGET_SW_PNAME to Ralliart S/W number.

Put the Default CBF file into the CBF folder and the Ralliart B002 CFF file into the CFF folder.
But since Pass thru can still reads my car as an evo because the Evo ECU and S/W numbers don't match the Pass Thru CAN Reader data it says programming is unnecessary and won't flash the B002 files to the TCU.

I re edited the B002 FLPart file to the Evo X ECU and S/W indicated by Pass Thru CAN Reader then launched Pass Thru CAN Flash and it said it successfully flashed using all the B002 files.

But after exiting the software turning off the ignition , waiting then starting car. I can still activate S-Sport mode because it still shows up if I go sport mode then press and hold button for 3 seconds.

My point is simple, can someone tell me how to change back my ECU and S/W numbers to Ralliart ones so I can get rid of S=Sport and Launch control. I would like to try out the 2011 / 2012 Ralliart TCU files my car which is a 2009.

Hopefully someone understands where I am at and what I need to change. The only file I messed with is the B002 FLPart file which did successfully flash to my car using the Evo X ECU and S/W numbers.

[Markspd6]

Any update? I was also interested in this mod, but was worried about this exact problem..

[Rralliart09]

Mark. I haven't had any of these issues. The only thing I've noticed is the rev hunt at 45mph and only there.

[Jackal]

Well I figured out the programming and even spent time putting on and trying out several and removing other files from other year Evos and Ralliarts. Right now I am trying out the 2011 + Ralliart TCU programming. I won't be trying the Super sport or launch control again until I get some more mileage on the car and then get trans rebuilt by Jacks Transmission.

I am at 84,000 km or 52,816 miles and I performed the 4th SST fluid change and 3rd filter change on the car with 6 liters of Mitsubishi factory SST Diaqueen Trans fluid. I also just had an engine oil change and filter done. I am running the latest GST tune for AEM Ralliart intake with full turbo back exhaust.

I had my car at the drag strip a couple weekends back and did test and tuning on my original DB Motorsports tune from 2010 along with a couple different GST tunes. It took some practice to get the launch control thing down as I have been doing the Ralliart rapid gas pedal tap thing for a few years now. I kept doing it out of habit then standing on the gas but not long enough to trigger launch mode and then having the car sometimes go into limp mode.

In short because it was a rainy day and very humid. I only managed 6 or 7 runs which included 2 of which were limp mode induced 20 + second runs but also 3 runs of 13.5 , 13.6. This was with car fully loaded with all the stereo amp racks, subs dyno mat, full tank of gas, spare tire, jack and tools aboard with me a 265 pound driver. car weighed approx. 3875 lbs.
Transmission has been performing strong on the road race track as well this year and the AMS Trans cooler with fan along with the removal of fog lights and install of JDP engineering carbon fiber vents has paid off to increase air flow and keep the slow down light from coming up even when pushed hard for over 6 laps at a time.

[Jackal]

Went back to the drag strip last night and found that the plastic adaptor to connect to the valve cover for an EGR function had snapped off. I realized all the problems I have been having was because car was pulling in air through this big 3/8 threaded broken fitting. Problem was because it is down stream of the air sensor the air being sucked in was not being calculated and engine was running lean and because of this excess air it was also buggering up my shifts and boost and everything.

Did an emergency repair with electrical tape and tywrap to seal hole on AEM intake pipe and car was good to go making approx. 24 runs and most were @ 13.5 with a few at 13.4 and best 2 runs of the night were just before the place closed at 10:30 with the cooler air ran 13.3 seconds. This was fully loaded with Jack, spare tire, tools all my custom stereo stuff amp boards etc.. and a 2/3 full tank of gas.

For the ECU I was running the GST tune for Full turbo back with AEM intake and was running the programming for the TCU from a 2011 Ralliart.

[tencents]

Can you explain how you got back from Evo file to RA? I flashed my car with MUT III to evo tcu, I want to try the 2013-2015 RA TCU file