DIY 2nd Transmission Cooler setup

[Jackal]

I am going to be adding a second trans cooler on the crash bar and new cooler will have -10 AN fittings so aprox 5/8" inside diameter.
My question is and where I need help is after pulling off one hose of the stock trans cooler.

What size are the fittings on the stock cooler and what ends are on the stock cooler hoses and what fittings do I need to buy to connect the -10 AN hoses to one side of the stock cooler and the one disconnected hose? I want to have all the parts needed prior to draining the fluid from the tranmission.

The other question is what size cooler will fit without interferring with anything else. Keep in mind most after market cooler will need additional room for clearance fittings and hoses attach to the top of most of the coolers I looked at.
I will probably want to install closer to passenger side of crash bar to avoid blocking airflow to intake etc.

I will be documenting all parts once I have it set up so other people will be able to duplicate setups themselves.

If I had the Luxury of living any where near RRE I would simply take it there but since that is not an option due to the time and cost of such a trip I am on my own for this project , but look forward to any and all input in regards to this project.

[crak]

Jackel, this should be moved to the DIY section on the forums. Cheers

[KrazyRA]

http://www.cxracing.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CXR&Product_Code=OC-248-16-AN8-BLK&Category_Code=OILC

That's probably the right size.

[TrailBrake]

Will there be a fan on this setup?

[Jackal]

Jackel, this should be moved to the DIY section on the forums. Cheers

I want to include all the parts and info so this does not necessarily need to be DIY but you could order the parts and have a shop do it if you weren't able to for whatever reason. FYI it's Jackal. LOL !

Krazy RA is this what you have on your car? or what is your means of determining size for cooler?

No fan should be needed as adding the extra cooler plus more fluid in cooling loop along with more air being pushed through stock cooler should be enough. Also the fact fan would become partial restriction its self at higher speeds.

Ok Well keep the info and questions coming.

Thanks

[KrazyRA]

I got the dimensions from Mike aka MTZL. That's the same size he has in the front on the crash bar/beam. If you are going to do the dual setup, you should replace the stock cooler too. I believe this is the same size Mike has in his ralliart to replace the stock cooler.
http://www.cxracing.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CXR&Product_Code=OC-248-30-AN10-BLK&Category_Code=OILC
You just need custom brackets.

[KrazyRA]

Fyi, adding a fan won't do much of a difference. It's mainly the cooler. I experimented with adding a fan to the stock cooler and did data log with evoscan. The temp kept rising even with the fan on.

[TrailBrake]

Fyi, adding a fan won't do much of a difference. It's mainly the cooler. I experimented with adding a fan to the stock cooler and did data log with evoscan. The temp kept rising even with the fan on.

Good to hear some real-world evidence re: fan. I questioned it's value-add, and now we have the proof.

If memory serves me correctly, doesn't one of the vendors cooler kits include a fan? Makes me wonder how much testing they did.

[crak]

@TrailBrake like this bad boy that has a built in temperature probe:

http://www.amazon.com/Derale-15850-Atomic-Cool-Remote-Cooler/dp/B004XONU5G

[TrailBrake]

or this one:

http://www.amsperformance.com/cart/AMS-Mitsubishi-Lancer-Evolution-X-10-MR-Ralliart-SST-Transmission-Cooler-Kit.html

[crak]

or this one:

http://www.amsperformance.com/cart/AMS-Mitsubishi-Lancer-Evolution-X-10-MR-Ralliart-SST-Transmission-Cooler-Kit.html

which is what i use, and it works fine:)

[TrailBrake]

which is what i use, and it works fine:)

Ok, with that said, so what makes the AMS fan setup work well while others do not?

[crak]

Well my good sir TB, it was twice the size as the stock cooler. Comes with a fan. I also had to add an additional 0.5L to the tranny.

I don't have measurements. Sold my old cooler to a lancer guy.

So, 2x more cooling (maybe more with the fan) and more fluid to dissipate heat.

That's my logic. I think thats what makes the AMS fan setup work well.

[TrailBrake]

Point well taken.

I was thinking more along the lines of how the fan was configured with the coole on this implementation vs the other setups that didn't workr, as the size increase vs the stock cooler is a given.

[crak]

sits in the exact same spot. snug, but fits well. Maybe the fan helps a ton. Kinda like a Computer CPU. Imagine a CPU with just the heatsink but no fan. Apply that concept to the intercooler and your difference in temperature is right there.

got this forum a computer forum:
I opened a CPU temp utility and watched the temp with and without the fan. Without the fan, over about 10 minutes of watching video (20% cpu + ), it creeps up to about 60 degrees C, which is definitely approaching a danger line and I'm sure it would continue to rise.

With the fan, it stays under 50 for the most part. So I'll be looking for a suitable, very quiet fan. Without the CPU fan it's very quite! (and it still has two medium sized fans in the case)....and one in the PSU.

So a fan adds 20% cooling, but keeps temperatures constant. Constant temperatures is the important thing.

[Jackal]

I got the dimensions from Mike aka MTZL. That's the same size he has in the front on the crash bar/beam. If you are going to do the dual setup, you should replace the stock cooler too. I believe this is the same size Mike has in his ralliart to replace the stock cooler.
http://www.cxracing.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CXR&Product_Code=OC-248-30-AN10-BLK&Category_Code=OILC
You just need custom brackets.

Good to know thanks to both KrazyRA and MTZL Awesome info keep it coming.

Also Crak and TrailBrake thanks for the input

I really had not thought about replacing the stock cooler until now. I think if I am gonna spend the time might as well make the most of it. I originally had a budget of about $250 but I might have to increase it some it seems as I will now have to mock up and fabricate mounts and air guides if I also replace the stock cooler.

I had thought about getting that one for over a year but after chatting with dozens of other people with Ralliarts and MR's over the last couple years on various forums, it seems that it still wasn't quite enough when having to do longer sessions, sessions back to back or just really hot days they were still getting the slow down light even with the AMS unit and after spending more than $500 I don't find that exceptable.

I have another question. If you have to remove part of the intake and battery etc. to get to the fill plugs on the top of the transmission to fill it and purge any air out of the system.
Do you have to bungie cord the battery off to the side in order to start the car and run it to switch through all the gears etc to make sure all circuits get fluid?
Sorry there is probably a You Tube video out there somewhere on the proper way make sure trans gets filled to the correct level. Obviously my fluid count will be off after adding 2 new coolers and larger/ longer lines to and from said coolers.

[cjsabaki]

A properly sized fan in a pull thru mode ( suck ) with a thermostat control AND a manual over ride switch WILL help drop temps.

A fan does little when the car is moving at speed and ram air is passing thru the cooler, BUT between laps, idling, stop n go traffic, now that is when the fan pays for itself!!

[Jackal]

Cole AKA Crak got me thinking about the AMS cooler again, but when I went to the site I found this at the bottom of the description.

Product Note


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•Due to the size of the transmission cooler being much larger than stock most aftermarket lower intercooler pipes will not fit, including the AMS lower intercooler pipe. This kit is made to fit with the stock intercooler pipe.


I have replaced all my stock cooler pipes and hoses with the bigger UR IC pipe kits so it looks like I would not even be able to fit this or another larger cooler like

http://www.cxracing.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CXR&Product_Code=OC-248-30-AN10-BLK&Category_Code=OILC

This sucks! Can anyone who is running a bigger than stock trans cooler verify if they are running stock lower IC pipe or are you running this with a bigger after market lower IC pipe and if so what did you do to make it fit?

[RALM]

Cole AKA Crak got me thinking about the AMS cooler again, but when I went to the site I found this at the bottom of the description.

Product Note


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•Due to the size of the transmission cooler being much larger than stock most aftermarket lower intercooler pipes will not fit, including the AMS lower intercooler pipe. This kit is made to fit with the stock intercooler pipe.


I have replaced all my stock cooler pipes and hoses with the bigger UR IC pipe kits so it looks like I would not even be able to fit this or another larger cooler like

http://www.cxracing.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CXR&Product_Code=OC-248-30-AN10-BLK&Category_Code=OILC

This sucks! Can anyone who is running a bigger than stock trans cooler verify if they are running stock lower IC pipe or are you running this with a bigger after market lower IC pipe and if so what did you do to make it fit?

I have heard from other RA guys with UR LICP that the AMS cooler is no where near the LICP. I have the UR upper and Lower pipes but have been a little hesitant in purchasing the AMS tranny cooler because Im not sure if fitment will be and issue. Is there anyone who can confirm that the UR LICP and the AMS tranny cooler will not have fitment issuse?

[crak]

There is no issue. If the Evo X pipe is similar to the UR LICP then there is no clearance issues. Lots of room to play with.

[RALM]

There is no issue. If the Evo X pipe is similar to the UR LICP then there is no clearance issues. Lots of room to play with.

the UR LICP is 2.5 is the evo x pipe the same size? And approximatly how many inches are in between the evo x pipe and the cooler?

[crak]

Well, next time I take off the bumper and plastic guard everywhere, ill take a shot. but ill take one of inside the wheel well later today.

[baggelis]

i have the cooler that ams uses in their kit and an evo x licp heres a pic

http://imageshack.us/a/img585/5310/48650810151156175448900.jpg

[Jackal]

Awesome picture, can you post a link as to where you bought your cooler and possibly what fittings you used to connect to the stock cooler lines etc.. Also di the mounting brackets come with that cooler? if not where were they sourced from?

[baggelis]

i got the cooler and fittings from summit racing i had to get a couple ft of radiator hose from a local autoparts store and i made a custom bracket by myself out with some stuff from home depot the whole thing cost me about 300$ i think

[TrailBrake]

i got the cooler and fittings from summit racing i had to get a couple ft of radiator hose from a local autoparts store and i made a custom bracket by myself out with some stuff from home depot the whole thing cost me about 300$ i think

Outstanding!

Thanks for sharing the info. :D

[Jackal]

Well I was sick and tired of comparing this set up with that set up, where to source fttings to go from this size to that etc. I finally told the wife I am getting the AMS setup as it fits in the stock location may or may not have to tweak it. Comes with fittings that connect to factory lines so no butchery etc. Is a good deal bigger than stock and holds a 1/2 litre more fluid. Comes with pre fabricated mounting hardware etc..
Has a fan so even when stuck in traffic with A/C on in the summer still getting some amount of air through cooler.

So that means no having to cut, weld, grind, file drill etc.. no getting stuck with a half dozen fittings that were wrong that I will never use and no worries about straining stock pump by running 2 coolers or having to wait 15 minutes to warm up trans if driving in -30 deg celcius etc..

And with it being several hundreds of dollars cheaper than some of the more elaborate kits, its well worth the money to have a proven kit that even has nice basic instructions in a downloadable PDF file LOL !

I will see how this cooler along with my fog light delete and other mods holds up at the track this summer. Next summer if I can swing it would be to upgrade to SSP deep trans pan to add a couple more litres to the system for extra insurance.

I still would like to see pictures of other people DIY setups etc..

[baggelis]

Outstanding!

Thanks for sharing the info. :D

no problem glad to help.

and if making a couple brackets isnt a big deal for you just piece a kit together it ll save you a couple hundred bucks

[RALM]

i have the cooler that ams uses in their kit and an evo x licp heres a pic

http://imageshack.us/a/img585/5310/48650810151156175448900.jpg

nice work, an it appears as if the ams cooler is no where near the LICP. Im guessing the pipes are 2.5inch like the UR LICP.

[RALM]

i got the cooler and fittings from summit racing i had to get a couple ft of radiator hose from a local autoparts store and i made a custom bracket by myself out with some stuff from home depot the whole thing cost me about 300$ i think

are you running the fan on your cooler?

[KrazyRA]

i got the cooler and fittings from summit racing i had to get a couple ft of radiator hose from a local autoparts store and i made a custom bracket by myself out with some stuff from home depot the whole thing cost me about 300$ i think

What cooler is yours? What did you buy from home depot to use as brackets?

[crak]

you can buy sticks of aluminum and bend them yourself to use as brackets.

A job like this does take some skill and measurements:)

[baggelis]

this is the same exact cooler ams uses yes im running the fan its on the other side of the cooler and thats exactly what i did i bought some aluminum sticks and bend/cut them to what i needed

[KrazyRA]

this is the same exact cooler ams uses yes im running the fan its on the other side of the cooler and thats exactly what i did i bought some aluminum sticks and bend/cut them to what i needed

Do you have the part number for the cooler?

[crak]

Do you have the part number for the cooler?

http://www.amazon.com/Derale-15850-Atomic-Cool-Remote-Cooler/dp/B004XONU5G

[mangnok]

Here's my cooler set up
http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy255/Zaghinapa/CFB0DCB8-106C-4468-B205-9E1400BA8810-3694-00000452FE5E5E4C.jpg

You don't need 2 cooler if you not track your car like crazy upgrade OEM to bigger one is enough

http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy255/Zaghinapa/55C3E3F7-007B-4355-99C5-15FF9AF55A60-3694-000004531215C035.jpg

http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy255/Zaghinapa/9775803E-7723-4626-BE3F-2E5ECA79E30D-3694-00000453078D642C.jpg

Both are 25 rows from CXracing

Fittings No. I don't know I just went it fitting shop and tell them what I need

[crak]

Just to note, the AMS setup has the fan setup like this image below. I noticed that mangok is the other way. Also note that the vents in the wheel well are open so all that debris and stuff would get jammed in the fan side on mangoks car. I think AMS has it on the other way to prevent rocks and other stuff from possibly hitting the fan.

http://i50.tinypic.com/29m8uaq.png

[baggelis]

http://www.amazon.com/Derale-15850-Atomic-Cool-Remote-Cooler/dp/B004XONU5G

thats not the right one i got that one first and it doesnt work this is the one i bought http://www.summitracing.com/parts/der-15860

[mangnok]

Just to note, the AMS setup has the fan setup like this image below. I noticed that mangok is the other way. Also note that the vents in the wheel well are open so all that debris and stuff would get jammed in the fan side on mangoks car. I think AMS has it on the other way to prevent rocks and other stuff from possibly hitting the fan.

http://i50.tinypic.com/29m8uaq.png

You are wrong brother , AMS has the same way I set up

[mangnok]

http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy255/Zaghinapa/AMS_Performance_2009_Mitsubishi_Ralliart_Trans_Coo ler_Kit2_650x488_zpsbdd12e86.jpg

[crak]

i just checked mine, my fan is on the wheel side:)

[mangnok]

i just checked mine, my fan is on the wheel side:)

Yep ! Told ya ;)

[Markspd6]

The aftermarket LICP fitment issues are part size and part the fact that several of them skip some the 3 OEM mounting points entirely, so you probably get lots of play and movement..

3" pipe with 3 mounting points that keep the LICP form moving might work..

I'd also guess, that 3" licp won't add much to the equation, as the air going through the bottom should be cooler and smaller than the UICP... Where 3" might help a bit.. .?

[mangnok]

Change filter from inline to Replacment OEM one and adjust and clean a little bit
http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy255/Zaghinapa/67EC1DEF-F7F9-4D17-992D-729B554FA06C-536-00000048091FA7D5_zps2fa2316c.jpg

http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy255/Zaghinapa/D1474C17-3FC5-4C56-8C3F-643E3C022EDB-536-0000004803FDF1DD_zps8b8ea4c6.jpg

http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy255/Zaghinapa/1B138968-7E0C-48A8-A2AB-911A27C9E31D-536-00000047D4E6F45F_zps1682c1cd.jpg

http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy255/Zaghinapa/AC4BD106-C0FF-41C6-9711-2EBBF5442B75-536-00000047ED65683C_zpsae53dc89.jpg

[beefyralliart]

thats not the right one i got that one first and it doesnt work this is the one i bought http://www.summitracing.com/parts/der-15860

Just curious why you say the 15850 doesn't work?

[beefyralliart]

thats not the right one i got that one first and it doesnt work this is the one i bought http://www.summitracing.com/parts/der-15860

Change filter from inline to Replacment OEM one and adjust and clean a little bit
http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy255/Zaghinapa/67EC1DEF-F7F9-4D17-992D-729B554FA06C-536-00000048091FA7D5_zps2fa2316c.jpg

http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy255/Zaghinapa/D1474C17-3FC5-4C56-8C3F-643E3C022EDB-536-0000004803FDF1DD_zps8b8ea4c6.jpg

http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy255/Zaghinapa/1B138968-7E0C-48A8-A2AB-911A27C9E31D-536-00000047D4E6F45F_zps1682c1cd.jpg

http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy255/Zaghinapa/AC4BD106-C0FF-41C6-9711-2EBBF5442B75-536-00000047ED65683C_zpsae53dc89.jpg

Thanks Baggelis for the info.

Mangnok do still have the dual cooler setup or is it just the one with the fan now? I noticed you took out the inline filter off and using the OEM one again. Just curious why you decided to switch back.

Has anyone else done a dual cooler setup and if you did, did you also get a separate oil pump like the SSP version setup?

[mangnok]

Thanks Baggelis for the info.

Mangnok do still have the dual cooler setup or is it just the one with the fan now? I noticed you took out the inline filter off and using the OEM one again. Just curious why you decided to switch back.

Has anyone else done a dual cooler setup and if you did, did you also get a separate oil pump like the SSP version setup?

That's not OEM filter by the way but it's aluminum replacement filter from SSP

I ran only 1 cooler(25rows i think) with fan

And you can add second cooler with out oil pump just run the hose go through both

But if you want to run sapperate like SSP you will need oil pump

[beefyralliart]

That's not OEM filter by the way but it's aluminum replacement filter from SSP

I ran only 1 cooler(25rows i think) with fan

And you can add second cooler with out oil pump just run the hose go through both

But if you want to run sapperate like SSP you will need oil pump

Oh ok thanks. I bought the same aluminum filter.

So is the other cooler you have in front of the windshield reservoir a engine oil cooler?

[mangnok]

Oh ok thanks. I bought the same aluminum filter.

So is the other cooler you have in front of the windshield reservoir a engine oil cooler?

Yes engine oil cooler