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Originally Posted by BravoZero

I say let him continue to post about this, make it interesting.

I agree. Bravo. Let's continue to weed through the inconsistencies......lol.

Originally Posted by Chaz17

Full 316 stainless tubing, welding material, and brackets. Full 3 inch design and most free flowing design available.

You don't know this to be true AT ALL because it has NEVER been made. You have no clue how this will flow compared to other exhaust systems. Fluid dynamics is WAY more than pipe diameter and direction. But you probably already know that.

Originally Posted by Chaz17

UR is a good company, but not the best. And the UR dual is $750, this one without mufflers is only $890 so I don't know where you are getting the $300 more.

First off, the proposed ones don't come with mufflers AT ALL. Instead, they substitute in a cheap resonator ($50-$100 MAX) and jump the price from $890 to $1090 ($200 increase. ETS, that you mentioned charges $100 for an added resonator). Where did I get the $300 from? It's called math. $1090-$750=$340. Did I do that right? If you want to compare your suggested exhaust with NOTHING but pipes in it, how much cheaper do you think the $750 UR would get if they removed the cost of the two mufflers? If they offered it, it would be probably $300 cheaper than the one you are offering with nothing but pipe. How do you justify offering an exhaust with NOTHING but pipe (which is the CHEAPEST part of the exhaust) and charge significantly more than respected companies with DUAL mufflers.

Originally Posted by Chaz17

The UR is a pretty restrictive design and only uses 304 steel, along with HUGE heavy mufflers that shift weight towards the rear of the vehicle. The Sakura's resonator keeps the weight towards the center, like it should be.

Unless you are on a boat in the ocean, you won't be able to tell the difference between 304 and 316 from a corrosion resistance standpoint. Neither one will ever rust out on a car. And the UR mufflers aren't "HUGE" by any stretch of the imagination. You have seen them, right? As far as "shift weight towards the rear of the vehicle" being a bad thing, that is what people WANT to do. The cars are front end heavy to begin with. Keeping the weight in the center of the car only helps if the car is already balanced perfectly. Ours, like most, aren't. Have you ever heard of anyone relocating the battery to the "center" for better weight distribution? I know, next time you get tires mounted and balanced, have them put all of the weights in the center "like it should be".

Originally Posted by Chaz17

Also, the less welding and flanges - you may think that is less expensive but it is actually more expensive to get the pieces in such large lengths. Less flanges and welds also equates to better flow through the exhaust. UR's is very choppy and not as smooth/free-flowing.

Would I think that less welding and flanges would be cheaper? Yes, and I would be absolutely right. Give me a break with the "more expensive to get the pieces in such large lengths". That is just complete and utter bollocks in the lengths we are talking about. Shorter lengths are MORE expensive (per foot) than longer lengths from ANY material supplier you will find with the lengths we are dealing with (6' and less). And again, you have NO CLUE whether this will flow better than the UR or not. Without a flow simulation done on both exhausts, you won't know if this design has better or worse flow than the UR.

Originally Posted by Chaz17

This is more comparable to ETS quality and design, which it is right on par with price-wise. Although this one is even more of a straight, flowing exhaust.

The resonated ETS is $150 cheaper than the resonated version you are offering. I wouldn't call that on par. And again with the "straighter flowing" exhaust. You have NO CLUE what this finished product will look like, as it has never been built.

I'm not busting your balls, but we tend to debunk exaggerations on this board and get down to the facts. The Evo X exhaust they offer does look great. My only point, as I stated above, is that it should be CHEAPER than the UR exhaust because the base material costs less it has less flanges and welding. And just to prove a point, just in case you think I an an advocate of the UR exhaust or working for them, I have AMS exhaust on my RA....